Episode 194 - Jerry Wiles - Leaders On Leadership
Every leadership journey is an experience of personal growth and service, as demonstrated by Jerry Wiles in this inspiring conversation with Dr. Tracey Jones. Jerry, President Emeritus of Living Water International and Ambassador-at-Large of the International Orality Network, shares his remarkable leadership journey marked by a passion for holistic disciple-making. He explains how he blends spiritual growth with brain health, memory, and oral traditions to spread the Gospel. Drawing from decades of ministry and global missions, Jerry emphasizes how Jesus' leadership model through stories and relationships shaped his lifelong dedication to preaching, leading, and serving.
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Jerry Wiles - Leaders On Leadership
I want to introduce to you our very special guest and tell you a little bit about Dr. Jerry Wiles. Jerry, welcome.
Thank you very much, my pleasure.
Jerry is the North American Regional Director and President Emeritus of Living Water International, and he became involved with Orality. I’m going to tell you what that means in 1983 through the influence of Herbert Klem’s book Oral Communication of the Scripture. He has years of experience in ministry and international mission work and serves on the ION Advisory Council and Stewart's training portfolio.
He is the author and radio program producer and has been a frequent guest on radio and television talk shows. He has traveled extensively as a public speaker. Jerry also is an Air Force veteran. Go, Air Force. Thank you for your service, brother. He’s also a former pastor and university administrator. He and his wife have 2 grown children and 6 grandchildren, and also, as we found out, he is a Southwestern Company bookman. We have that connection as well. Jerry, it’s a real honor to have you on the show.
With my pleasure, I appreciate the opportunity. A little update on the numbers there I now have seven grandchildren and my wife went to be with the Lord. I’m in a transitional season here, but I was mentioning to you, that in 2005, the Southwestern Company had a 150-year anniversary celebration and reunion. I had the opportunity to sit with your dad at one of the meals. Somehow, I got a hold of one of my books maybe I gave him one but he had my contact information, and a few months later, he was speaking at a conference or convention in the Houston area, and he called me and invited me to come to have lunch with him.
He’s the only notable international motivational speaker like that who has ever invited me to have lunch. It was a real blessing. I had read his books and heard him over the years, not only through Southwestern but at other conventions and conferences. I’ve been to a lot of conferences and conventions, but I have heard your dad. I got tapes, cassette tapes, back in the day and listened to his messages. He’s been a big blessing in my life, and I appreciate him very much.
Jerry’s Personal And Professional Journey
Thank you and how Jerry and I reconnected after all these years is, he’s on our email list. For those of you who aren’t on it, get on Tremendous Leadership and sign up. He reached out to me. Jerry was telling me what he was doing, the books he’s got going on, and his memory work. He’s going to share that and Jerry, first of all, congratulations on the seventh grandchild, and thank you for sharing about your wife. You had told me about your wife. I’m sure you’re going to talk about that, with what she emigrated to have, and what the cause of that was, and how that spurred on the work that you’re doing now. Our readers are going to be very interested in learning about that.
That fits into the loneliness conversation because I’m learning now about a new level of loneliness. All leaders experience that, but now I’m discovering that there is a loneliness epidemic in the country, and some sociologists would use the term “friendship recession.” It’s because of COVID, because of Sheila’s Alzheimer’s disease, she was diagnosed in 2019 and it progressed to the point that she needed to be in the memory care facility, and then she passed away but anyway, about several years ago, I got
Interested in connecting with this whole aspect of memory and memory competition and about the method of low chi in the Memory Palace. I have gotten interested in that, but my learning journey has accelerated over the past few years about everything related to memory, brain health, benefits, and memory issues. I'm giving temporarily leadership to a newly formed faith-placed alliance for brain health benefits and memory.
Helping people have a better memory. Remember is the second most given command throughout all of scripture, and so we can only live out what we remember. It doesn't matter how many degrees we have or how many books we have read. Memory is very important, especially in the senior years. My friend talks about our being chronologically enriched. We are not getting old we are getting chronologically enriched.
Now the Lord has given me some mentors and models over the years of individuals who have been very productive, even in ministry, missions, and other professional endeavors, and they're in their 70s, 80s, 90s, and beyond. There are a few who are over 100 who are still lecturing, speaking, and writing. That's my goal to finish strong and finish well.
I'm learning about longevity studies and holistic health, holistic living, and I like to talk about holistic disciple-making. That's what my new book is about simple relational disciple-making ancient ways for modern times. It has to do with my journey. I'm a beneficiary of the Jesus Movement, Jesus Revolution, and the Asbury Revival of the early 70s. I recruited for Southwestern Company at Asbury College during the time that the revival was taking place.
Simple, Relational Disciple Making: Ancient Ways for Modern Times
During those years, I was selling books and, as a student manager and field manager, I became district manager of the Bill Sales organization but of the 60 semi-college and university campuses in 12 different states that I recruited on during the early 70s, Asbury was one of them, and I was there. I thought these people were fantastic about Bible studies and prayer groups. It was so different than UT or the University of Kentucky and all the other schools I recruited at.
That put me on a new journey, and the Lord opened up all kinds of opportunities from then on. Most everything good that's happened in my life has been like a serendipity. It's been God's intervening, opening doors and so, I learned a lot about meeting people with Southwestern Company and the Air Force experience. I was in Japan and Pakistan and traveled to 30-some-odd countries, and more than 60 countries now over the years in missions and ministry. Traveling internationally, I discovered that the rest of the world is very different than North Arkansas, where I grew up. Then in the late 70s, I got involved in international interdenominational ministry and mission activities and discovered that the kingdom of God is much bigger than this Southern Baptist convention. Those are two major discoveries in my life.
In the mid-70s, the Lord gave me a verse from Proverbs that says Proverbs 13:20, "He who walks with wise men will be wise." I'm again asking the Lord to let me get to know and spend quality time with men and women who have godly wisdom, and he's been faithful to do that. getting to know a lot of notable people, some are international figures and some are not so well known, but godly people that the Lord brought into my life have been my mentors and models. You know, to whom much is given, much is required. I'm thinking now, about how I can maximize the opportunity to pass on to others what God has put into my life.
Losing Of A Lifelong Partner
Many people in this season of life, as we're getting older, we're losing parents, have lost parents, siblings, and spouses. You talked about that being a new season. Could you share this? I know we have quite a few of our readers out there who have lost a lifelong partner. Can you share how you navigate that? That's a very poignant loneliness.
One of the lessons I learned years ago from one of my mentors, who was much older and now with the Lord, is that every negative has a positive, and the more negative the negative, the more positive the positive. Keep in mind that God always shows up in the most difficult times and the darkest places. Reminding myself of what the Bible says about those things and realizing that God has a purpose. As long as we have a pulse, we have a purpose. A friend of mine says that. I'm thinking and asking the Lord daily, "What's the most important thing I can focus on now?" That's going to be the eternal. Everything else is temporary.
In this journey, when Sheila was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, I started doing research, and I got connected with neurologists and neuroscientists a lot of other professionals and practitioners, and normal people who were going through this. I went to a lot of the support groups and caregiving groups, hearing people's stories, and all of a sudden, the Lord was giving me opportunities to minister to people who were in much worse shape than we were in. I'm thankful for the spiritual journey the Lord's let me be on, and for being well-grounded in the scriptures, reading the Bible, and working with communicating the gospel to those in the world, spending time in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, and learning about how people learn and communicate. That's been a great learning journey that I’m still on, with much more to learn. We always have more to learn, don’t we? That’s the thumbnail sketch of that part of my journey.
You talked about the epidemic of loneliness. There's a Ministry of Loneliness in the UK, and it’s in younger people, so we have to fight against that because that’s one of the devil’s favorite tools to get us alone and feeling alone, and depressed, suicidal, all that stuff. Thank you for sharing that, and it’s out there, the people that are out there. I love that. The more negative the negative, the more positive the positive.
To that point, I have a friend who is a psychologist. He's a retired organization professional, and he told me, he said, "You need to spend time with people." I have been proactive. I have developed what I call a loneliness and isolation prevention program. What it has to do with my going to different places and connecting with people. It's not easy to do that, to have substance to conversations.
I visit several different churches in the area. For a number of years, I was in charge of church relations with Houston Baptist University, now Houston Christian University. I have a lot of friends in churches. I reconnect with friends and family in different churches and congregations, and so I found that I could go to about half a dozen or so churches over a weekend, do the meet and greet, and spend time with people. Farmers markets are a good place to go and have conversations with people. It’s more difficult than shopping, but if you go to farmers markets or wherever people are the Lord opens up ministry opportunities in that regard.
I found that most people are not as proactive as I have been and am about that but I'm continuing to make new friends and connect with people and see ministry opportunities in that regard. The Lord tends to use these difficult times to accomplish His purposes.
The Lord uses difficult times to accomplish His purposes.
Combating Weariness And Cognitive Decline
I love what you said about being intentional, and then even interacting with people you don’t know. A smile, or that touch, or that word of affirmation, or even a comment letting somebody get in front of you, you don’t know what it’ll do. Thank you for that. We talked about loneliness. The next thing, Charles talked about is weariness, and he's like, "It's tough. You have to stay wrong. There's always going to be people doing more than you ask, but there's going to be a lot doing less, and you have to stay in top fighting form so you can finish the race strong." Then you talk about the eventual decline, not of our physical bodies, but cognitive decline. How do you combat weariness? Have you ever been in a season of weariness, and what are some tips that you would give our readers?
I would say develop a mental prayer list, so prayer is important, and meditating on scripture. I'm a walker. I walk several miles a day, but I make my walks a prayer walk. I have this mental prayer list that I work through, and it has to do with keeping me focused on what's the most important thing advancing the Kingdom. Thinking about how the Lord is developing my own life I did a little thing on developing people.
That's one of our core values with Living Water International. It's staying focused, and we have to be intentional. I get up in the mornings thinking about what's the most important thing I can focus my time and attention on, and I relate back to the goals that the Lord put in my life, visions years ago, that have to do with advancing the Kingdom of God, sharing the gospel, making disciples, being a reproducing disciple-maker. The Great Commission, it's for all of us. That's a pretty simple thing. It has to do with communicating the gospel, introducing some people to Jesus, and getting them on the journey of being fruitful, productive, and reproducing disciple-makers.
I write and speak about this. Look at who I focus on, the people in my life, the Lord's brother. I have an informal mentoring network of younger leaders that I'm intentional about spending time with, keeping in touch with them, and focusing on the few to impact the many. It's not about big, grandiose things. It's about small, simple, reproducible systems and structures that have to do with the eternal purpose of God.
I'm reading a book. It's out of print, but you can get it online The Training of the Twelve. It's like, that's Jesus' purpose for coming here. It wasn't to turn water into wine heal blind people or feed people. It was to train those twelve, and that is the leader. It encourages me my core group is who I'm to pour my life into, whether it be professionally or personally, and not to worry about changing the world. Although that's what we like, God changes the world, but I love that comment of when you draw it back, that's where it happens, and the reproducible, the replicable systems don't happen in mass, they happen mano a mano, one-on-one.
God has never called us to build an empire but to serve a Kingdom. Jesus talked about that with, He said, "The principles of the kingdom of God, the kingdom of God is like a mustard seed. Small seed, produce a large plant." The kingdom of God is like yeast. A very small amount of yeast affects a large lump of dough. We think about little things having a great impact, and if we can realize that in everyday life, there are no accidents with God, He's working all things after the counsel of His own will, and all things work together for good, for those who love Him and are called according to His purpose and so keeping those things in our mind and renewing them. It needs to be a constant reminder, and that's why the renewing of our mind, if we have a Bible, we can read it with comprehension. We should be reading the Bible.
I was in that business ministry for a number of years, getting people to read through the whole Bible every year but now, the majority of the people in the world are oral learners by necessity or by preference, those who can't, don't want to read or prefer to learn by means other than written, as instructional print-based media. That's been a good part of my journey for the past several years how do you communicate with people under trees in West Africa who've never seen a Bible, they have no written script, they are oral.
Our best model is the Lord Jesus when we think about how He communicates, how did he make stoppers? He is Parables. He asked questions. He created a community in relationships in ways that were reproduced for 1,500 years, and then the church became more dependent on written instruction after Gutenberg and the printing press and neglected what had been around from the beginning of time. Interesting how orality conversation has to do with the most effective ways that people have learned and communicated from the beginning of time.
Staying Sharp And Fit
You are at this stage of life. You are so accomplished, you are so sharp, you are so strong. You look fit. Tell our readers some of the things that you do. We know the mind is a muscle and it's use it or lose it, but is there anything else you do to stay in top form? We are all struggling, we are all slipping, and it's like, but you are so on and I'm sure genetics is some of that, but we are made from dust. How do you keep your dust pile?
There are five things to focus on and think about SENSE. The first one is Socialization, social interaction, and social networks. It is the number one thing for longevity. Exercise, and exercise. Body movement, blood flow. That's the next thing. The next thing is Nutrition. Yes, and then the next thing is Sleep but also, that can stand for spiritual life and spirituality, and the last, the E, is for education, but not academic education necessarily, but mental stimulation. Learning something new, going to new places.
I learned this from a friend, Linda Sasser. She is an expert in the field and she has an organization, BrainAndMemoryHealth.com is a website. She's become a friend and a good resource, and there are a few others. The Lord's brought some certified health and wellness professionals into my life. People dealing with different aspects of trauma, reminiscence therapy, all kinds of therapy, trauma therapy. I have gotten into that, remedial things, but also professional and personal development principles. It's pretty common knowledge, but it's not so commonly known. It's not a hidden secret you can find this information if you're looking for it and know where to look.
I have become an information broker in this area. I don't seem to be the expert on any of it, but I have connected with experts on all of it, so I can refer people to sources and share what I know. When you think about holistic, those areas are important. what's good for the brain is good for the heart and total health. Holistic health, it's no big secret. Most people don't do it. Staying in shape, physically, spiritually, and mentally, it's all part of the package deal.
Everything good for the brain is good for the heart. Always stay in shape physically, spiritually, and mentally.
Rereading Books For Continuous Learning
People are like, "I got to grow. I love learning new things." Do you also have certain books that you go back to and reread again?
I do.
I want our readers to know that because, “Yes, I'm getting new knowledge,” but I'm rereading a lot of the old stuff because sometimes that's daunting to people. They are like, "I don't know if I ingested or digested the other ones." It's okay, as long as you are constantly your mind's evolving every day. Even if you read the same book a month later, it's going to appear different to you and spark your brain.
Most of my authors are dead authors those that were writing hundreds of years ago or longer. They are running because they have a message and they have a passion to communicate. It wasn't about profits or marketing strategy.
I want to share their wisdom with the world and impact it.
We would have some common favorite authors people who have influenced this, people who have been writing for a long time, and what we were exposed to in our Southwestern Company experience but then, going deeper into the spiritual world, the Lord is giving me if I might be missing a few names please, one called Ian Thomas, and if you know that name or not. Steven Offer, who had a big influence on legal aim. Norman Grubb, influenced Abraham, Variety, and started the National Prayer Breakfast movement in Washington, D.C.
These are people I got to know over the years Charles Stanley and Adrian Rogers. Adrian Rogers was my pastor for a while. He's with the Lord now, but his name is out there. Charles Stanley, I had some more work with him at First Baptist of Atlanta and the Counseling Center. The Lord's These are a few of the people the Lord's connected me with over the years and continues to do so.
Overcoming Abandonment And Staying Focused
The next thing Charles talked about is abandonment, and we are not talking about fear of abandonment or abandoning a marriage or a pet. What we are talking about is Dad would tell me, “I do more in a day to contribute to my failure than my success," and I'm like, "What do you mean?" He goes and as Paul says, “I do what I like and want to do, not what I ought and need to do." In leadership, because we are talented, and if the devil can't get your soul, he's going to try and get you off target. How do you stay very tightly focused, abandoned to the good, so you can get to the great and your purest form of where you are meant to be?
The short answer is constant reminders, and there are several different ways of having constant reminders. I don't have any secret formula for that, but we have to stay focused and continue to remind ourselves because the enemy is going to play with our minds and plant seeds of doubt. We have to come back with what we know. The journey I have been on with the Bible Pathway Ministries of reading through the Bible every year. I got involved in that in the '70s, and as I grew up My father was a Baptist pastor for 60 years, so I had it in my head, but later on, it came into my heart but I never read the Bible through the three-year plan until the early '70s and since I do everything 150%, our plan was reading through the Bible every year.
Leadership Journey: The enemy will try to play with our minds by planting seeds of doubt. We just have to come back with what we know.
You can read through the Bible in one year by reading fifteen minutes a day. If you are willing to spend an hour a day, you can read through the Bible four times a year. During that season, I read through the Bible more than 50 times and then I was in sales and on the road a lot. I had cassette tapes were a big thing back in the day. I have listened through the Scripture, constantly exposing ourselves to the word of God, and then whatever the Holy Spirit will bring to our remembrance, these things.
The more we saturate ourselves in the word of God. The Holy Spirit will bring us to bring to our remembrance. That's a big benefit too in sharing the gospel with people because I will be in a situation or conversation, and a verse will come to my mind, and I will say it, and it's the Spirit of God that touches people's hearts and changes their lives. you see many people, many people come to Christ in these unusual opportunities.
I talked about it in my books. I produce a radio program with the KHCB radio network here in Houston. Now it's available worldwide because of the internet and Wi-Fi. Keeping ourselves reminded, but also being intentional about sharing with others when you can find people who want to listen. That's part of my loneliness prevention, looking for opportunities to have conversations with people and seeing how the Lord opens up those ministry divine appointments.
Nothing like being in the word daily to help keep you on point and pruning the stuff but I love that for readers. In case you missed it, fifteen minutes a day, you get through the Bible in a year. An hour a day, you get through the Bible four times a year. People are like, "I can never read." “Yeah, you could.” Fifteen minutes a day. Thank you. I love that. I'm a project manager, chunking inch by inch. Life's a cinch thing. Thank you for sharing that and how you stay on point. I love that you said, you know, there's no real formula. It's daily. What does Paul say? Die to self every day. Get up, get in the word. Stay on point and you will stay focused.
Confirming the physical fitness part of it. If you make your exercise, your walking, a prayer walk, and prayer to reflect and meditate, have that mental prayer list you work through as you walk. I have a friend who has an uncle, who's African or South African. He is 114 years old and he walks 6 miles a day. Walking is something all of us can do. If we can't walk, we can probably use an exercise bike or we can do something to keep our bodies moving, but blood flow is important.
Combining physical fitness and walking, and then mental stimulation by reflecting and meditating on scripture and doing our prayer walks.
There are so many apps now. You can download and listen to the words being read, and they have fabulous voices. If you're like, "I can't read the Bible," then pick up a translation that speaks to you and listen to it. Reads in you a hold, and I am primarily learned by reading. I'm not an audiobook listener. I'm not an auditory learner, but there's something about when I hear the word read that. That's the one thing that hits me in a new way. Yes, I still read it before I go to bed every night, but listening is so powerful. That helps you prune out the stuff.
Crafting A Vision For The Future
Last, Jerry. Charles talks about vision, and again, vision is one of those words that means a lot of different things to different people, and I can remember growing up under the tutelage of these great men and women who are visionaries. I thought, "What does it take to get vision? I don't think I have it. You are born with it.” My dad always told me, ever the practitioner, ever the pragmatic. He says, "Vision is seeing what needs to be done," which most of us do, "but then doing it," the execution aspect of it. Jerry, with this season of life, 78 years young, you are getting more chronologically enriched every day. What's next? How do you craft what you are going to make it to 108 if the Lord tarries? That's plenty more years. How do you craft the future?
One thing that I have learned during my Southwestern days was this phrase "Live each day as if it were your last." Thinking about we don't know if we'll have 30 years, 30 months, or 30 days left. We may get hit by a Mack truck tomorrow. We live each day as if it were our last, but looking to the future, and in the area of this looping back to the loneliness thing, to think about solitude, there's a value in solitude.
When we can turn loneliness into solitude and reflection and waiting on the Lord, listening to Him. The best thing about vision is asking God, "What is Your vision? What do You want to do?" Henry Blackaby was an acquaintance of mine. I got to know him as a mentor to mine, but talking about identifying the activity of God and joining Him. It's not a matter of our coming up with a strategic plan. I believe God has a strategic plan. If we listen to Him, He will give us a plan. He will give us directions, and if we acknowledge Him in all of our ways, He will direct our paths.
There is value in solitude. We can turn loneliness into solitude and reflection, waiting on the Lord and listening to Him.
That's the key thing about listening and waiting for the Lord. Most of the visions and goals, I believe, the Lord put in my heart, and when we delight ourselves in the Lord, He'll give us the desires of our hearts. Our hearts are in tune with Him and we are listening and waiting on Him, spending time in His word. He will give us directions, and we do the next thing and we realize that we walk by faith and not by sight, and He's faithful and trustworthy to do exceedingly, abundantly above all that we ask or think. Prayer, reflecting on His word, and meditation are key factors.
I love the statement. We don't have to come up with a strategic plan. God already has it. I love that and as somebody that's always like, " God, I got this," and it's like, “He knows my heart. He knows I love Him more than anything, but I always do that and so.” Thank you. I needed to hear that. I’ve got some big things I'm mapping out for 2025 and I need You. The Lord made me laugh and said crazy, "Listen to what you're saying?" Thank you for that.
I heard your dad one time say, "Flexible planning."
That was one of his laws of leadership.
It comes to me quite a bit. My dad before he passed away in 2010, said, "Don't make any plans that you can't change."
Leadership Development In Oral Cultures
Jerry, thank you so much for taking us through loneliness, weariness, abandonment, and vision. Is there anything else related to leadership that we have not touched on that you would like to share?
A few years ago, I helped launch an effort in Ruby, Kenya, called Leadership Development for Oral Cultures. One of the most important things we learned about contemporary leadership principles from John Maxwell, a friend, I have known him and others in that arena, but also, what do we learn about leadership from the scripture? Jesus is our best model as a leader. We created this plan of leadership development for oral cultures. One of the most important things that people need to know to be a leader who has no Bibles, they are in oral cultures.
This is the culture that Jesus lived in when He was here so many years ago. Only about 3% to 12% of the people at that time would have had access to the scriptures and could have read them with comprehension. How did Jesus communicate? How did He make disciples? How did He create leaders? let's look at the life and the spirit and the teachings of Jesus. When we asked the question, how much, and what do people need to know to begin a relationship with Jesus? How much of what do they need to know, and what's the best delivery system to get them on that journey and to develop leaders in those contexts?
When we reduce it to the most simple, essential things that people need to know, then we can build on that, but it's not about an MBA program. It's not about academic credentials. It's about life and the spirit and the teachings of Jesus. We start with where people are, and then what they need to know next. That's been an amazing learning journey. Now, we have colleagues in Africa who are doing orality leadership workshops.
Leadership Journey: The most important things people need to know to be a leader have nothing to do with academic credentials but with the life and teachings of Jesus.
It was stories and questions. It has to do with a set of stories and then the lessons that come out of the stories. People learn the stories they learn the lesson from the stories, the application. It's about how the word is in their heart and how it becoming a part of their life. Participatory learning engagement. We talk about scripture, engagement, and spiritual formation. All the lessons that boil down to the scriptures are the best source for that, and Jesus is our best model.
Current Work
Tell us a little bit about the work you are doing and the ION Advisory Council, and where people can connect with you.
I have transitioned into leadership now. I'm the Ambassador at Large of the International Orality Network. That's part of a movement connected with the World Evangelical Alliance but Great Commission activities of all kinds. AuthorJerryWiles.com. That takes them to Leadership Books, which is my publisher. With Living Water International, I still do a scope of work on a consulting basis. I maintain an office there. I'm the President Emeritus of Living Water International.
Most Emeritus Americans go away, but I'm still there. I also serve as a Mission Advisor with Missio Nexus, which is a few hundred mission organizations, mostly sending organizations and then I have this new thing going now. We're calling it M5 Global. It's a faith-based alliance for brain health benefits and memory but if people do a search for Jerry Wiles' books and articles, I write for a couple of mission-related news services. I have got a lot of things out in the cloud somewhere.
Find my stuff out there. Short articles and then I produce a radio program with the KHC Radio Network here in Houston, but it now is a network of about 50 outlets and plus the internet so people can access that. KHC, Keeping Him Close By, is a way to remember that. I have been doing that for many years and so I tell people you can learn a lot in 30 years, even if you are a slow learner.
You can learn a lot in 30 years even if you are a slow learner.
Charles would say that too. He's a slow reader, but that's why it takes him a year but so what? Little by little. Jerry, thank you so much for everything you've brought to our readers, to me in particular. They are going to be greatly enriched informed and inspired. To our readers please reach out to Jerry. Make sure he's in your network. He's got a lot of tremendous work going on, and I'm sure he'd love to connect with you too. Thank you for taking the time and all the work you are doing to touch people, bless them, impact them, and help them live out this next season of life with power, purpose, and health. That's such a beautiful thing.
To our readers out there, remember you will be the same person 5 years from now that you are, except for 2 things the people you meet and the books you read or that you hear on audio, as Jerry would say. Please, if you like what you learn, please hit the like and the subscribe buttons and share this with other people who need to hear about what's going on so they can be encouraged and informed again, Jerry, I can't thank you enough. I'm so glad we are connected to this season of life.
Remember that with Christ in our lives, the best is yet to be.
Amen, and I love it. You said it. If you’ve got a pulse, you’ve got a purpose. If you are reading now, I hope this show helped you reignite that beautiful purpose inside of you. Everybody, have a tremendous rest of the day. Bye-bye.
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About Dr. Jerry Wiles
Dr. Jerry Wiles is President Emeritus of Living Water International, Ambassador-at-Large of the International Orality Network, and mission advisor with Missio Nexus. He is also an author, radio program producer, and public speaker. Jerry has a background in business and has served as a pastor and university administrator.